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? DIYMA freshman Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: western australia Posts: 24	(big appologies for the typo in the heading) Hello all, ok, pioneer p99rs owner here, brand new, running focal utopia 4way active. Mid/tweeter in pods above dash, mounted vertical, off axis, left aimed and centre of right seat and vice versa. (Admitedly not a calibrated install) Auto TA is great, takes into acount a lot of reflections that I cant with just measuring the distance. Question is, auto TA gives a nice wide sound stage with focus, but too little focus, it tends to pull left if im seated right and vice versa (have ta'd both seats at front) From here, when I modify the mids/highs to pull the field more central/slightly more in front of my face, I feel like the sound field is right in front of me, but a lot narrower, I feel like i lose a sense of space and width. (Mids are crossed at 250hz hp, midbass are crossed 200hz lp 12db slope to catch the gap) - (I found the 250hz sitting on the dash gave me fantastic direction control with all vocals and lead sounds sitting here) Does anyone have any advice to keep a nice wide sound field but with more focus? Is it the angle of my pods? should I have them facing more directly to the facing seat, ie, the right pod firing into the right seat and vice versa! Help!!
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so ive done a very basic thing! for now this is fine! (however there can be a little bit of harshness through the higher frequencies which i can drop with volume)

Balancing for L/R is the first step. Once you've done this you need to level match (does not mean flat) across the 31 frequencies to get the tonality right. If you've got harshness in vocals cut a bit in the 2-4khz and in the 6-8khz range if you have sibilance.

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BUT! Im not liking the fact that im using a sandpaper approach by eqing my sound, ive always believed eqing was a very last resort. I feel i should leave eq flat and use time align instead? may play around with this tomorrow. I'll play through the 31 again and centre each frequency with ta instead of eq and see what i get!

What you like and what you need to do, can be two different things. Car audio forums are full of myths. Anyone who tells you that you don't need an eq in a car, does not know much about car audio and will not have "great" sound in the car. There is a reason why that hu gives you an excellent equaliser, TA and options for Xover points and slopes. The reason is, you need to use ALL these tuning tools together, to find the setting that works best for your environment and driver placements. If you're not using everything , you're missing out on what that unit can deliver. It's not about either or. Think everything, together.

Please, if you want to use the p99 to its fullest potential you have to forget about 'flat' anything. Always think cut before boost.

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did this for my seat, passenger seat and sat where the hand brake is to give the best balance for both seats, (2 hours later) massive amounts of adjusting for left and right, but only 4 bands around the 200 to 500hz mark needed a slight tug up or down to get centred for the hand brake position

You do the tuning from the drivers seat, I've never tuned sitting on the hand brake

. But I guess if you're going for a 2 seat setup then anything is game. Hang in there it will get better over time.

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